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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on my way up to Seattle to go to church this morning, so this is going to be short again. I should have added this last night, but I needed to think about it first.

It seems that the following, according to your own admission, are effectively a law for us as we worship Christ. If not, then by what &quot;law&quot; does it say that I cannot indulge the sinful nature as long as I do it &quot;in love (however I define love since there is no law to define it for me)&quot; or why can&#039;t I use witchcraft as long as I do it to &quot;serve (again, my definition as I feel it)&quot; or be sexually active (if there is no law, it cannot be immoral, and if it can be, then by what authority, by what law?) or etc.? 

-- &quot;do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love&quot;
-- &quot;The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.(19-21) Further he tells us, Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.(26)&quot;
-- &quot;But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity...nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or coarse joking...&quot;

Or, if there is no law, how can there be any sin, since sin is defined as a transgression of the law? If there is no sin, why do I need Christ, for without sin I am righteous, right? And what law says that I have to accept Christ to be saved? If there is no law, why should I bother to read my Bible? Isn&#039;t it just as good to simply be &quot;led by the spirit&quot;? If so, then how might I &quot;test the spirit&quot; to see if it is from God? If there is no law, does it even matter if it is from God as long as I follow in loving obedience (not quite sure, but following in loving obedience seems to imply a law)? 

This is part of why I have a problem with the law being no longer important or no longer having any effect over us.

Oh, and circumcision is a type of keeping the law, keeping the law is the anti-type. Christ, and Paul, made it clear that they symbol (or type) was less important than the real deal. It&#039;s not quite accurate to say that &quot;when Paul talks about circumcision he is talking about following the law.&quot; (I Cor 7:19)

Just some more food for thought. And I honestly would be interested to hear how you answer those questions, because I do not understand your position. And I&#039;m not just trying to be a jerk, I&#039;m being honest. Not lying is part of the law I try to keep.;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on my way up to Seattle to go to church this morning, so this is going to be short again. I should have added this last night, but I needed to think about it first.</p>
<p>It seems that the following, according to your own admission, are effectively a law for us as we worship Christ. If not, then by what &#8220;law&#8221; does it say that I cannot indulge the sinful nature as long as I do it &#8220;in love (however I define love since there is no law to define it for me)&#8221; or why can&#8217;t I use witchcraft as long as I do it to &#8220;serve (again, my definition as I feel it)&#8221; or be sexually active (if there is no law, it cannot be immoral, and if it can be, then by what authority, by what law?) or etc.? </p>
<p>&#8211; &#8220;do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love&#8221;<br />
&#8211; &#8220;The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.(19-21) Further he tells us, Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.(26)&#8221;<br />
&#8211; &#8220;But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity&#8230;nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or coarse joking&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, if there is no law, how can there be any sin, since sin is defined as a transgression of the law? If there is no sin, why do I need Christ, for without sin I am righteous, right? And what law says that I have to accept Christ to be saved? If there is no law, why should I bother to read my Bible? Isn&#8217;t it just as good to simply be &#8220;led by the spirit&#8221;? If so, then how might I &#8220;test the spirit&#8221; to see if it is from God? If there is no law, does it even matter if it is from God as long as I follow in loving obedience (not quite sure, but following in loving obedience seems to imply a law)? </p>
<p>This is part of why I have a problem with the law being no longer important or no longer having any effect over us.</p>
<p>Oh, and circumcision is a type of keeping the law, keeping the law is the anti-type. Christ, and Paul, made it clear that they symbol (or type) was less important than the real deal. It&#8217;s not quite accurate to say that &#8220;when Paul talks about circumcision he is talking about following the law.&#8221; (I Cor 7:19)</p>
<p>Just some more food for thought. And I honestly would be interested to hear how you answer those questions, because I do not understand your position. And I&#8217;m not just trying to be a jerk, I&#8217;m being honest. Not lying is part of the law I try to keep.;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://ben.lobaugh.net/blog/78/day-five/comment-page-1#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ben!

I don&#039;t have time for a well thought out post at the moment. Sorry. But I am really enjoying hearing you share, even when we disagree (ie, when you are wrong;-P). You are making me think, and I appreciate it! 

As far as what you have actually posted about, the only thing I&#039;ll take the time to say is this. Although it may not be appropriate for your study this week, I would highly encourage to shift from the &quot;proof text&quot; approach to Biblical concepts to a &quot;weight of the evidence&quot; approach. Not that one is necessarily better, but it gives you a new perspective. Just a thought. 

PS - How&#039;d your exam go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ben!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have time for a well thought out post at the moment. Sorry. But I am really enjoying hearing you share, even when we disagree (ie, when you are wrong;-P). You are making me think, and I appreciate it! </p>
<p>As far as what you have actually posted about, the only thing I&#8217;ll take the time to say is this. Although it may not be appropriate for your study this week, I would highly encourage to shift from the &#8220;proof text&#8221; approach to Biblical concepts to a &#8220;weight of the evidence&#8221; approach. Not that one is necessarily better, but it gives you a new perspective. Just a thought. </p>
<p>PS &#8211; How&#8217;d your exam go?</p>
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